My comments are in talics. Jill
Changing currency is a cost of a fraction of a percent. What other costs has AIS had? The foreign registrars have done most of the work. I am sorry but unless yopu can provide some data this sounds like a bunch of bull.
JB: I don't appreciate this kind of tone in emails one bit.
The board should be ashamed of acting on so little information. Mike Lowe was not consulted nor were any of the foreign registrars whom John will have to work with. I am not opposed to foreign hybridizers paying an equal amount but the minutes state they presently pay nothing which is a lie.
JB: Then the minutes should be corrected...which they can be in Atlanta.
I am really upset that the board acts so rashly and discourteously and without any knowledge.
JB: OK, this is where I have had enough. We are all VOLUNTEERS. We do what we can and many of us are doing more than one job. For those of you who attend and have attended AIS Board meetings, they are lengthy marathons with much discussion, and as times have changed, they have become more expensive to attend...which none of us get any reimbursement for. We do this for the love of iris, and I for one resent the implication that my vote was made rashly, discourteously, or without any knowledge. . We make decisions with the information we have from the people who are there and our own best judgment. I have attended every Board Mtg since the Fall of 2001...That's 10 years experience of learning the operations of the AIS and reasoning things out with each other. Many of you have spent much more time than this.
They could have at least consulted with the people who have some knowledge, the previous registrar and the assistant registrars. It appears very heavy handed for a new registrar to come in and dictate to the assistants he will need to work with.
Such !
> arbitrary actions make me ashamed of being an AIS member. But then the board is not elected by its members and often does not seem to represent them at all.
Two past presidents have suggested that maybe the board should re-examine these changes. I have not been impressed by the boards knowledge of our history so I will point ou that the reason the Iris society was founded in the first place was to create sense of the chaos that existed in Iris names and to encourage Iris registration. Mike Lowe has been able to get many European countries that that were introducing Irises before and not registering them to comply with Irises regfistration. I hope that the new registrar does not destroy this achievemnent by distating to countries that could easily say why should I bother with this new asshole. If he proceeds diplomatically you can strike the word asshole, but I see no reason why the boards decisions would be percieved at the moment otherwise. There is no tact evident and no !
> consideration of other countries situations that is obvious. W!
> ith the present trajectory I would imagine many irises being put on the market around the world never being registered and the individuals, who have been trying to take away the honor of being the worlds registration authority from the AIS are building a stronger case.
JB: As everyone knows the world and its operations are more global than every before and we cannot keep doing business as we have been doing. Two Board meetings a year is not enough to investigate, discuss and come to decisions that have far reaching implications.
Technology has advanced enough that we can have electronic meetings between in-person meetings.
I respectfully ask that electronic meetings be placed as an item of New Business on the Agenda for the Atlanta Board in November. I do agree with Bob, that we cannot continue operating the way we have been. I just wish he had been able to make his comments with a little more respect for the hard work that all of us have put in, including himself!
As for charging $15 for foreign registrations, my earlier comments, as Treasurer, stand. The AIS cannot afford--without new sources of revenue which are not here yet--to continue to subsidize them. We can always cut this fee along with others when our financial condition is in better shape.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jill Bonino"
>To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 2:23:38 PM
>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Foreign Registration Fee
>
>It was my understanding also that the Board's approval of a $15 registration fee for foreign registrations was to be in addition to what they already pay to their country's registrar.
>
>While I know it won't be popular with the foreign hybridizers that they in reality will be paying more than domestic hybridizers for this service, the fact is that to process a foreign registration does cost more than a domestic registration. It has for many years, but the AIS has been paying for it at the expense of the domestic hybridizers. As Treasurer, we cannot afford to do this any longer.
>
>Jill
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Robert Pries
>>Sent: Aug 12, 2011 12:05 PM
>>To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Foreign Registration Fee
>>
>>We all know about the law of unintended cosequenses. No matter the reality the
>>appearance is that AIS is trying to balance their books on the backs of the
>>Foreign Hybridizers. The Foreign Hybridizers are having to pay more than the
>>USA hybridizers. Of course the motion actually said it wanted something fair
>>but your interpretation does not come out that way.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "John Jones"
>>To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 12:17:55 PM
>>Subject: Re: [AISdiscuss] Foreign Registration Fee
>>
>>No, that is not the interpretation that the Board intended. In the
>>discussions, the fee was intended to be in addition B any fees charged by the
>>Associate Registrars.
>>
>>
>>John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Aug 12, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Robert Pries wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>The motion made by the board this Spring was; That foreign registrants pay AIS
>>the same registration fee as US and Canadian Registrants pay. Fee to be paid
>>in USD, effective August 1, 2011 . Motion carried . B B Since the fees
>>collected by The assistant registrars in each country have been given to them
>>for their services acting as collectors and translators B B I would take this
>>to mean that AIS would have to return the amount to those assistants that is
>>under the price of registration and in some cases pay the additional amount
>>the were receiving to the assistants. The Foreign registrants fee should not
>>increase but in several cases may decrease because it will be the same as USA
>>registrants according to the motion and AIS will owe the respective assistants
>>those lost funds.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "John Jones" < jijones@usjoneses.com >
>>To: aisdiscuss@aisboard.org
>>Cc: "Mike Lowe" < mlowe@worldiris.com >
>>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:14:52 PM
>>Subject: [AISdiscuss] Foreign Registration Fee
>>
>>All,
>>
>>
>>I have been in discussion with Michele Bersillon concerning the new fee for
>>foreign registrants to pay the same fee as North American hybridizers and her
>>request to register directly with the AIS since she is an American national
>>and files completely in English.
>>
>>
>>I have previously told her that she would need to continue to file through an
>>associate registrar and that as to the fees. If the country registrar charges
>>a fee, it is in addition to the fee required by the AIS.
>>
>>
>>Her most recent response is below and as the world wide registration authority
>>for non-bulbous irises, the AIS Board of Directors needs to be aware of the
>>potential implications of their recent decision.
>>
>>
>>While some of this may just be pique, there may be some potential problem(s).
>>On the other hand I have notB yetB heard complaints from any other Associate
>>Registrars except to enquire about details of how people are to pay. I am
>>setting up a PayPal account and trying to work out some of those details.
>>
>>
>>We could adopt a policy that would allow the Associate Registrars to take some
>>amount of the AIS fee (e.g., $5.00) for their service. Registrants would pay
>>$10 to AIS and whatever fee to the Associate Registrar. Or pay the Associate
>>registrar directly and the Associate pay the AIS (via PayPal)
>>
>>
>>I am open to other suggestions, lacking any other action by the Board, B to
>>continue with the policy as instituted.
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>>John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>
>>
>>From: M Bersillon < auxiris5@orange.fr >
>>
>>Date: August 10, 2011 11:43:04 PM PDT
>>
>>To: John Jones < jijones@usjoneses.com >
>>
>>Subject: Re: Misc
>>
>>
>>John,
>>
>>
>>For your information, all associate registrars have always charged a fee for
>>registration (it varies from country to country), so all registrants outside
>>of north America will now be paying over $15 for each registration; I am not
>>the only one involved! B However, I would like to say feel that it is very
>>unfair to ask people outside of the United States to now pay the equivalent of
>>somewhere between $19 and nearly $23 for official registration of each plant
>>and, unless the various European iris societies decide to stop demanding a fee
>>for registrations, you may eventually find yourself either with a rebellion on
>>your hands or simply a progressiveB refusalB on the part of Europeans to
>>register their plants with the AIS. B This may result in the indiscriminate
>>use of names that may already have been used by previously registered plants
>>or simply those that aren't officially registered, even by plants that are
>>commercialised, with the confusion that you can easily imagine. B There are
>>already a whole whack of iris commercialised in France that don't have
>>officially registered names, including an entire page in the Bourdillon
>>catalogue, for example; I don't know why they never registered these plants.
>>B B
>>
>>
>>
>>Just for the record and since you ask, I ceased registering my plants with the
>>SFIB for many reasons. B First of all, the registrar of this association made
>>many mistakes on one of my first registrations and then, when I sent him
>>corrections, he set about making others and finally I had to correct the
>>problem directly with Keith Keppel, since Jean Peyrard is a most difficult
>>person to deal with directly and does not accept remarks about the mistakes
>>that he continues to make with good grace. B Then I had other problems with
>>the association and no longer wished either to be a member or pay them any
>>money for any reason, so I requested to send in registration forms directly
>>and pay the full AIS fee, but was not allowed to do so. B The AIS registrar at
>>the time told me that I had to send my forms in French to the SFIB registrar
>>and then post a form in English directly to him, plus paying the SFIB fee,
>>which was not acceptable to me---just to spare someone's feelings. B Life is
>>complicated enough already. B Simply to be able to continue to officially
>>register plants, I asked Gisela Dathe if I could send in my already filled-out
>>English language forms through GdS and have been paying their fee even though
>>they do not do anything more than post my forms along with theirs. B Now that
>>the forms are likely to be electronic ones (a definite progress), there may
>>not be much in the way of actual postal fees, so I have no idea how they will
>>deal with that. B I would suggest that, as the new AIS registrar, you contact
>>them about how they are going to do things, as Gisela wasn't aware of how
>>things are going to work now when I asked her earlier this year. B B B
>>
>>
>>Incidentally, Richard Cayeux told me a few things about his problems with
>>registrations this year, including a refusal of the name "Ciel Gris sur
>>Poilly", which seemed very strange to me since I didn't think the name could
>>possibly have already been used. B Apparently there was some issue about the
>>name having four words, but this has been allowed for quite some time now and
>>is even mentioned on the SFIB website, so it is very unclear what happened.
>>B Should Richard get in touch with you directly to straighten out this matter?
>>B B B
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>All the best,
>>
>>
>>MicheleB
>>
>>
>>P.S My first name has only one "l". B
>>B B
>>
>>
>>
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>>American Iris Society
>>aisregistrar@irises.org
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